Curse

Lishy · May 07, 2009, 08:08 PM // 20:08

I'm going to be fairly honest and realistic in this rant.

I'm done with PvE and I've already dominated all the elite areas. So I decided I wanted to get into PVP a bit. Specifically GVG and HA.
Problem? All the guilds recruiting seem to be a bunch of Elitest retards who literally reject everyone, or bullshitters who don't live up to their hype and advertisement.
For weeks I've been searching for a decent PVP guild. And to this day, I'm STILL searching for a PVP guild. Yet almost about every guild I went through, has a stupid rank requirement, or, like said, reject everyone for stupid reasons, or bullshitters who use false advertisement.
Let me take a look at the most common requirements for a non-rank based PVP guild, in which, I meet:
Knowledge on the Meta? Check
Proper grammar and speech? Check
Politeness? Check
Analyzes GVG/HA matches? Check
Willing to, or takes part in GW communities? Check
Ventrillo or Team Speak? Check
Working Mic? Check
GVG/HA experience of knowledge? Check
Being able to put together any build for the class we claim we play? Check

And yet, most of them don't even give you a chance to even apply for those requirements, and just make up some dumb excuse like that "They have 600 players pming them" (Despite saying they're a new guild), just because of the mere mention of "A high-end PVE player wanting to get into PVP".

Quite honestly, I'm tired of these guilds wasting my time.
I'm not going to give out names, but if you're going to be so damn picky or retarded on potentially great players for your guild, just don't freaken' recruit in the first place since you're not even giving them a chance to show that they meet the requirements.

"No rank/requirements required" BULLSHIT!!! Because we all know it's false advertisement, hoping you will attract the r9 glad!

Elitests are on par with some of the worst Guild Wars players out there and the fact there are no decent PVP guilds these days is truly getting on the nerves because they aren't even allowing people to even get the experience that they demand so much.
I really wish I could find an actual decent PVP guild that takes things seriously AND intelligently, in which, intelligence is what a lot of guilds these days lack <_<

</End rant>

Anyone else share my pain on this matter? It's impossible to find a good PVP guild these days that actually act like a guild.

Apollo Smile · May 07, 2009, 08:12 PM // 20:12

Good guilds DO exist, you just hafta slowly weed them out.

aapo · May 07, 2009, 08:13 PM // 20:13

Why don't you make your own guild with your high-end PvE friends?

You have actually played this game with other people, not just abusing PvE skills and hero/hench, haven't you?

Empress Amarox · May 07, 2009, 08:14 PM // 20:14

What's with so many retarded anti-elitists?

Nodakim · May 07, 2009, 08:15 PM // 20:15

The whole point of the game is to abuse skills...

Lishy · May 07, 2009, 08:17 PM // 20:17

Quote:

Originally Posted by aapo

Why don't you make your own guild with your high-end PvE friends?

You have actually played this game with other people, not just abusing PvE skills and hero/hench, haven't you?

Yes I have, my good sir. However, they quit GW and/or still aren't interested in PVP.
Also, what does PVE skills and H/H have to do with anything?

Quote:

Originally Posted by Empress Amarox

What's with so many retarded anti-elitists?

What's with so many retarded anti-anti-elitists?
See? I can make a stupid response too!!!

What Now · May 07, 2009, 08:17 PM // 20:17

Pug HA for r3 and do some RA til you get a glad title, most guilds just want to see you are mildly capable of doing any sort of PvP and are willing to work with you. You could of done this all while sitting in a PvE guild, takes a double weekend to easily get r3 hero and then just RA in your free time and gg.

Simply wanting someone who's experienced and has a clue doesn't make you an elitist it means the game is 4 years old and we want someone who's worked at it as much as we have to play with at nights after spending our days getting irritated by incompetent players.

Knowledge on the Meta? Check
Proper grammar and speech? Check
Politeness? Check
Analyzes GVG/HA matches? Check

Which you can get from passing the 5th grade and hitting B to observe a single match to see everyone on both sides are running X. Does that mean you understand why or could do it as efficiently? Not really. Unlike high end PvE sabway won't overcome most weaknesses and a guild is as strong as it's weakest link so asking them to be your level until you improve and not being able to carry them with pimped out heroes is what you might not be getting.

You can't just jump into the pool without dipping your foot in some water first. I'd have to say PvP honestly isn't for everyone nor is it something everyone can excel in, you can try, you can think you're good or win a few matches but like the almighty Athene says...

"Either you're pro or you're noob, that's life."

Earth · May 07, 2009, 08:19 PM // 20:19

Dunno if KiSu is still around but I guess you could try there... Most guilds will look for ranked players because it (usually) shows that they have atleast some PvP experience. If they are serious about it they won't take a PvE player who has GWAMM, because that means shit in PvP.

PS: It's "elitist".

savage vapor 33 · May 07, 2009, 08:21 PM // 20:21

I dont share my pain, but I see everyday atleast 10-12 guilds in AD RA spamming...

"New Guild recruiting for Daily GVG/HA, no rank req!"

Try hanging out there for a while and you will find your "nice and friendly" pvp guild. But heres a quick tip, if your looking to do "friendly" pvp, I would stay away from HA and GVG, nothing friendly about those whatsoever. Its a "who-has-a-bigger-e-peen contest", and frankly it gets annoying.

Also if your looking to join a top 1k, or even top 500 guild with no rank, good luck, its probably not going to happen, unless they know who you are. But other than that, just stay away from the Rank req. guilds, we are elitists, and we know we are good. /sarcasm

Good luck, and pm me in game if you need a non-req pvp guild, I can help you out.

IGN: Death By Rangers

Lishy · May 07, 2009, 08:22 PM // 20:22

Quote:

Originally Posted by What Now

Pug HA for r3 and do some RA til you get a glad title, most guilds just want to see you are mildly capable of doing any sort of PvP and are willing to work with you. You could of done this all while sitting in a PvE guild, takes a double weekend to easily get r3 hero and then just RA in your free time and gg.

Have we forgotten that even PVE players have glad titles?
Also, last I checked, wasn't HA PuG impossible these days?

This thread isn't about titles though, as most of the rant applies to non-title req guilds. As for guilds with false advertisement, most of the guilds recruiting in RA don't actually GVG or HA as much as they say they do. I've been through about 5 of those guilds and they just sit afk all day. No joke.

zelgadissan · May 07, 2009, 08:22 PM // 20:22

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Originally Posted by Kain Fz

Also, what does PVE skills and H/H have to do with anything?

Let's be honest, a lot of high-end PvE people get there by abusing AI and retarded things like Discord spikes and Cry of Pain teams. Saying you have DoA done doesn't necessarily mean shit because it well could have been done by seven Ursans and a HB monk while not really learning anything about skillbars and the like. Not saying that's your situation, but try to understand their point of view too. PvP people are simply skeptical of PvE people, end of story.

I was just about to suggest KiSu as well.

Professor K · May 07, 2009, 08:23 PM // 20:23

Elitism in PVP!? What a surprise. Hey, I guess they enjoy watching their "community" shrink more and more everyday.

Apollo Smile · May 07, 2009, 08:25 PM // 20:25

Quote:

Originally Posted by zelgadissan

Let's be honest, a lot of high-end PvE people get there by abusing AI and retarded things like Discord spikes and Cry of Pain teams. Saying you have DoA done doesn't necessarily mean shit because it well could have been done by seven Ursans and a HB monk while not really learning anything about skillbars and the like. Not saying that's your situation, but try to understand their point of view too. PvP people are simply skeptical of PvE people, end of story.

I was just about to suggest KiSu as well.

Because PVP doesn't utilize the best class/skill setup possible to get things done.

What Now · May 07, 2009, 08:28 PM // 20:28

Quote:

Originally Posted by zelgadissan

Let's be honest, a lot of high-end PvE people get there by abusing AI and retarded things like Discord spikes and Cry of Pain teams. Saying you have DoA done doesn't necessarily mean shit because it well could have been done by seven Ursans and a HB monk while not really learning anything about skillbars and the like. Not saying that's your situation, but try to understand their point of view too. PvP people are simply skeptical of PvE people, end of story.

I was just about to suggest KiSu as well.

True Virtual Love KiSu takes most people and gives them a try fair warning though if you're a monk there's a ballpark and a half of monk trying to learn/prove themselves, it has quickly went from the most wanted profession to the most generic and populated one because it's cool now apparently. So depending on what you do might tbh affect what you can do, if you're a Dervish or Para persay I would understand a PvP team usually not wanting you or having to go a few runs before they can squeeze you in.

Might be better off going for a new smaller guild, even if they have no more experience than you it's better to be patient and learn together than to not have a steady team and get nowhere just to get matches in here and there.

Maybe I'm not being very clear ^^ KiSu had a lot of members last I checked, might of changed but there wasn't always room =) btw I don't think I've ever heard of anyone doing DoA without a gimmick tbh... =\

Snow Bunny · May 07, 2009, 08:29 PM // 20:29

Are you any good: no.

No one wants to have to lose a lot of matches just because player a. has to get carried every match.

High-end PvE means nothing. Nothing. You can blow up shit? Ok, cool beans.

My guild doesn't specifically have any requirements, but people have them nonetheless. No one wants someone just getting into PvP - no req guild normally just means it's a bunch of players with some experience forming a pug guild.

No requirement doesn't mean they'll take just about anyone, it means they don't have stringent requirements establishing a threshold of experience.

Getting into PvP means putting yourself out there. A good start would be contacting the posters making guild recruitment threads on guru.

No offense, but if you have no experience, why would someone want you? Do you think a decent PvE guild takes someone who's not experienced in all the farms, dungeons, and high-end areas? No. So why should PvP guilds take you, where the stakes and success are harder?

PvE hasn't required skill for months now, so saying you're a high-end PvE player translates into "Hey, I've played a boring game where all the builds are gimmicks centered around impossible amounts of defense and offense, and all of our mistakes are voided by the consumables."

aapo · May 07, 2009, 08:30 PM // 20:30

Quote:

Originally Posted by Professor K

Elitism in PVP!? What a surprise. Hey, I guess they enjoy watching their "community" shrink more and more everyday.

- I think there should be r6 requirement for HA team leading and bad RA players should go back to PvE. We better-than-average players are tired of watching tank warriors with flare especially in our teams. If it's the enemy we laugh.

upier · May 07, 2009, 08:31 PM // 20:31

I think you just need to accept the fact that you'll have to start from scratch.

Lishy · May 07, 2009, 08:31 PM // 20:31

Quote:

Originally Posted by zelgadissan

Let's be honest, a lot of high-end PvE people get there by abusing AI and retarded things like Discord spikes and Cry of Pain teams. Saying you have DoA done doesn't necessarily mean shit because it well could have been done by seven Ursans and a HB monk while not really learning anything about skillbars and the like. Not saying that's your situation, but try to understand their point of view too. PvP people are simply skeptical of PvE people, end of story.

I was just about to suggest KiSu as well.

I've actually heard a lot about KiSU and even bookmarked their forums.

Also, about abusing AI.
I've played before even Nightfall was released. And even when it was, I played through the game with my Dervish without even using heroes (I was skeptical of them at that time.) or PvE skills whatsoever. Heck, when they finally released skills like Critical Agility and Eternal Aura, I simply couldn't believe how overpowered they were. Before the Critical Agility nerf, did you see how overpowered those Mesmer Illusionary Weapondry builds were? Of course, the mesmer reign in PvE lasted only a short amount of time.
I'm also one of the few r10 norn paragons who didn't abuse Ursan. Back then, all we had some a gay man in a skirt, and careful usage of Cruel Spear. And when DoA first released, normal mode was like hard mode!

Though, that being said, PVE and PVP are two different games. But on the bright side, it teaches you about all the skills and their potential in moth metagames.

Empress Amarox · May 07, 2009, 08:31 PM // 20:31

Kay.. Let me explain something...

If you were crying about this 3 years ago when it may have been hard to get good groups because there were a small group of people that had tigers and for the most part all knew each other (aside from the koreans), then it would maybe be understandable.

But now when the game has been out for over 4 years and you can't even manage to grind out some kind of rank? That's just sad quite honestly. You can give any pathetic kind of excuse you want, but guess what? Everyone had to do something somewhere to start and if you just want to complain about elitism and requirements and crap, then why don't you take charge? Don't cry so damn much.

If you don't have rank, make groups yourself. What are they going to do, ask YOU to show YOUR rank? Just call them noobs, kick them and get someone else.

90% of the time pugs are going to fail hard in the first place. If you want to succeed, play with friends and keep playing with them until you are comfortable with each other and you will eventually start doing better. Keep making the same groups with the same friends, eventually people are bound to get better at their roles and each person will know their team mates on a more personal level so they play better together.

I'm tired of these stupid bs rants.. People have been crying about this since the game came out. I have like what, 5 tigers now? Whats your excuse to not even be able to get a deer? Even a wolf isn't difficult (and in 4 years, you should at least be able to have grinded a tiger by now...). If you want to cry about not being able to get groups or get guilds, then make your own or shut up.

What do you want from this? You already have an option, you just want to cry about it. Help yourself, don't moap around wanting pity, actually do something about it.

Jeez...

What Now · May 07, 2009, 08:37 PM // 20:37

Quote:

Originally Posted by Kain Fz

I've actually heard a lot about KiSU and even bookmarked their forums.

Also, about abusing AI.
I've played before even Nightfall was released. And even when it was, I played through the game with my Dervish without even using heroes (I was skeptical of them at that time.) or PvE skills whatsoever. Heck, when they finally released skills like Critical Agility and Eternal Aura, I simply couldn't believe how overpowered they were. Before the Critical Agility nerf, did you see how overpowered those Mesmer Illusionary Weapondry builds were? Of course, the mesmer reign in PvE lasted only a short amount of time.
I'm also one of the few r10 norn paragons who didn't abuse Ursan. Back then, all we had some a gay man in a skirt, and careful usage of Cruel Spear. And when DoA first released, normal mode was like hard mode!

Though, that being said, PVE and PVP are two different games. But on the bright side, it teaches you about all the skills and their potential in moth metagames.

So are you a Dervish? If so I can tell you to hang that up right now if you intend on doing any serious PvP sorry =) What do you play?